Can't win them all, but getting closer........

As previously mentioned, our favorite watch company had a deadline to provide information on the making of said watches.

Not only did they do this but they also mentioned possible legal action, perhaps a bluff but an effective one.

Here is some of the  info I received from the festival director......

regarding the time it takes to make the watches--glue drying time is a large component of the 85 hours that it takes to "make" one of these watches.  

regarding the many commercial outlets for their product--none of the stores sell a complete line of the product, only 6-7 styles.

The director mentioned that she didn't understand why more artists didn't complain about suspect b/s.  I explained that a lot of artists are afraid of being blackballed by festivals as complainers and that as a patron, I wasn't going to be kept out of a festival.  

Photographic proof of shipping papers, boxes etc would be wonderful if anyone can get them if they see the "watchmakers" at a festival.   Perhaps a shot of two of the participants.  

I wish I had better news but the issue is not dead, just a bump in the road.

 

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  • Uh, all you have to do is look at a man's hands and you can tell what he does.  My guess is they are both good typists.
  • Would someone who is anywhere near our watch people take a couple of pictures of the guys in their booth.  If we do that at several festivals. we can find out if they enter under the same two guys names but different guys show up.  I will do this in Florida at any show I see them at.
  • Well, most shows do allow reproductions of artwork as long as the original is present and only 25% of what is being exhibited is reproductions.  I do some giclee prints to lower costs to the consumer.  But all my oringinals are available as well.  
  • Lori Kay,  I don't know.  I think that there is a fine line.  A giclee print is a copy.  When I read rules, it sounds like copies are discouraged.  I am very much aware that an artist can sell more copies than originals.  I am fairly new to this whole thing and am only doing small local shows.  I feel I am now ready to start applying to bigger shows.  I am trying to understand the whole process.  I am a metalsmith and create jewelry.  I read the rules that I am not supposed to use molds to make "production" jewelry, yet print artists can sell copies of their paintings.  Some jewelers who have been in the business for many years have bench artists who help them create the jewelry, use molds to replicate, etc.  I have talked to many jewelry artists, and I know that most of them make it all themselves.  It is time consuming to create a new piece of jewelry that is all hand fabricated.  It is time consuming to create a new painting.  I guess the only thing is, if there are rules, they need to be well-thought out before published and then they need to be followed without the lack of willingness to disallow the people who do not follow the rules from being in the show.  Like I said, I am just learning this business and find it shockingly competitive and frustating as to the lack of following through on the rules.
  • Lori Kay:

    Belgravia Court I believe he told me.  I tried to get into that section but ended up on Third Street.

    Charlotte Burnett:

    So you think if I, as an artist, make giclee prints of my work, that is wrong? 

     

  • what section are they in at St. James
  • I have been at shows where several of the "artists" appear to be production artists with "bench jewelers" aiding in the production of the goods.  In one instance, when I asked what type of weave a bracelet used, the "artist" responded "I don't know, I don't make that stuff."  In another instance the "artist" talked about her "bench jeweler" having done something.  I have seen artists who have booths that are packed with jewelry and I wonder how they could possibly make it all without the help of others.  The pieces are maybe "handcrafted" but not by the "artist"/designer.  I sometimes wonder if jewelry artists are more prone to this type of situation than many other artists.  Although, painters and photographers do make multiple copies of pieces or glycee them.  That is production work, also.   It enrages me, when these production get into shows and claim that they are the "artist" when they have bench jewelers or students who are helping them produce the work.

  • There were NO men working in their booth at the Summer Shade Festival in Atlanta.  They were all young women/girls.  I even heard the director of the show (when he came to give them their AWARD) ask if Juan was there.  I couldn't hear their reply, but he wasn't there the whole weekend.

     

  • I know that Mistura will be at the St. James Court Art Show in Louisville, KY, Sept. 30-Oct. 2.  Daniel was in a booth next to me at Summerfair in Cincinnati.    And you are right, he did show up late and probably did not have to show his ID.  
  • Ideally, yes, one would hope that they wouldn't be juried in at the beginning.  But the process isn't flawless.  There are a lot of issues wrapped under this one topic.  I have been at a show where a rep was sent to sell an artists' work and they were asked to leave (artist needs to be present).  Some shows are more stringent in their polices than others.  Some I think just turn a blind eye on the situation and have filled their booth slots so they are happy.  Buy/Sell is a bigger issue to me since the person acting as the "artist" has no connection to the work and is just buying product and selling as their own (I have even seen them win awards).  Yes, it probably hurts other artists in that same medium since their prices are usually lower, but I feel that the bigger issue is the integrety of the show and missrepresentation of the work to the customer.  Customers think they are buying something handmade from the artist.  There are probably those that really don't care and they come away from the show with "something pretty", but others have been duped.  It's probably jewelers that are most sensitive to b/s since it usually jewelry that is represented in these booths.  Obviously it is the most competitive medium, and to see booths that are filled with product that is just purchased and sold at a juried show is dissapointing.  But anything that is mass produced and sold as original at a show hurts all of us.
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