Hey all!  I feel like I am all dressed up and have no place to go.   I have plenty of great things to sell, but no shows for a while.  I have been reading reviews - when I can - about shows.  I hear great input regarding loading and unloading, talk about foot traffic, even if certain mediums are doing well.  However, there is one thing that isn't clear.  Sales and their trends.  While $ figures isn't necessary, I do hear a lot about how "sales are down from last year" and "sales aren't great, just breaking even".  I, personally don't have a point of reference.  It would be great to know a little bit more.  What I mean is I have no idea - having not done "that" show before - how sales were last year and if last years sales were good for that matter.  If you are used to making say 3 times your booth space and your expenses are, who knows, $500 (booth plus travel expenses) this would be great info for me to know.  Granted I might not be doing "that" show, but I am always looking for information as to what I might expect doing similar shows in that area during that time period or if there is a sign that this "recession" is coming to an end and the light at the end of the tunnel in nearing. 

Can anyone offer any info regarding sales trends for 2010 so far and if there is any comparison or contrast to the trends?  In other words do you have any ideas to offer as to why sales might be down (bad weather) or just the opposite (finally having a space where there is better foot traffic).  I want to think positive every show I do, but not having done a show yet this year, I feel a bit "out of the loop" and very much want to be in the loop. 

Michelle
By the Bay Botanicals
www.bythebaybotanicals.com

P.S.  I haven't done any shows yet as money flow is slow and have been working on some private label stuff, but have some coming up this summer and then in the Fall and winter.  I just don't have much success in the Spring time, unless it is around Mother's Day - which is when I have my first show of the year.

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  • Cool responses! While I am of the "young, fabulous and broke" generation, I am just cautious. When I first started out doing shows I was in the black the first year - mind you sales were great and had a simple display and so on - impressive enough though for people to think I had a store. My average booth fee was $100. But even during 2004/05 the shows were changing and got on the tail end of this. Since then shows were changing (in my area) new management, some of the good ones folded (management either quit or retired) and wanted to try others. I was doing about 25 shows a year and learned quickly it isn't about the amount of shows you do, but the quality of them in comparison to what you sell and if you target marketing audience is present too. This is why my debt is reasonable/manageable. I know $3,000 isn't much, but if I am able to get it down $500 or so each month doing what I am doing it will be paid off. I have 30-50 years to plan for in this business and want to do it smart. I can't imagine being 5 digit figures in debt, I would feel like I would never get out of it, especially if I - mind you I said I - don't have a plan B.

    Having said that I love doing the bigger more expensive shows - the people -my people! are there, they are indoors (most of them - a big plus), usually last Friday - Sunday, and so many other good factors. I do believe you can get good sales from $400 shows, but have also learned that a show let's say Kutztown Festival (which has a fee of $25-50 or so + 15% commission) can yield thousands in revenue over a 7 day period - the show is a full week long show. I did a wine festival last year and was floored the fee was only $25 (+ 10% commission) and it was a juried art show and made about $500 at it. I could have done more if I had more to sell too - especially with what I am making now. For me, it is about NOT spending over your means, but making wise choices with money that will benefit you down the road. The days of spending beyond our means is what got our economy in this mess - people not being able to afford their homes (doing 0% down), credit card debt that people are not able to pay off, etc. AND this is what works for me - I cannot and will not poo-poo others ideas on how to make money or handle debt - but I do feel there is a smart and patient way of doing so and there isn't. - Michelle
  • Very interesting discussion! Michelle, I took the opposite approach to paying down debt than you are taking. I had about $25,000 in credit card debt (don't ask) spread out over five cards, and often had just over $100 in my checking account. When I began selling my jewelry in 2006, I got enough of a positive response that I transitioned into doing it full-time. That was in 2008, a Very Scary Year! I financed my entry into the show world with my credit cards (why not, what's another $2000 when my debt was already so high) and just went for it. I reasoned that by doing MORE shows, I would bring in necessary cash flow with every show. Although I had goals, I didn't worry too much about how much each show brought in, only that it was "more than zero." I did, however, make every attempt to improve both my work, it's presentation, and my jury photos, in an effort to get into shows that I felt had better earning potential.

    It turned out that on average, I sold $2000 per weekend, so if I did 20 shows a year (which I do), that would be about $40K in sales, far more than I have ever earned in my life. Now, I know that this is not actual income, and that business expenses, both direct and indirect, will cut that nearly in half, but in the beginning it was all about CASH FLOW and debt service. I have now reduced my debt to $12,000 on only two credit cards, and am very confident that it will be eliminated within two years.

    I realize this approach may not work for everyone, but it is another way to approach the problem of reducing debt.

    And to answer the initial question posed, in my experience sales trends are UP for 2010. I have done nine shows this year and my average is $3000 per show. The balance of big ticket versus small stuff sold varies widely and seems to depend on the market (no surprise there).
  • Hi Michelle,
    I apply to mostly less expensive shows - under $100 booth rents. I also do a few mid range shows - under $300 and 1 or 2 expensive shows $400 to $500 shows. I can't swing anything more expensive than that. So far most of the shows that I have been accepted into are the low and mid range shows. I figure that if accepted I can swing 1 or 2 expensive shows and 1 or 2 fewer inexpensive shows each year and then look at the averages over the year rather than looking per show. I think the upscale shows are larger and give you more earning potential. I think it may be a way to slowly edge up. Just my thoughts.
  • That is a question I think about all the time Chris. What am I waiting for? Well, right now I am in the process of paying off my debt. I don't like having debt and I have about $3,000 and can't afford to do a $500 show, if I want to pay the debt down. Granted, I completely understand having a business, there will be debt, but debt can also get out of hand - easy! What money I am making is going right back to credit card fees, business insurance and replenishing any supplies I need to replenish - which only means I am breaking even. What has changed lately though - is I added on a new craft - candle making - in addition to what I do already. With this I need to buy different supplies so I can create my own candles. With that I had to buy a candle melter, classy and far different jars than what is on the market, wax, wicks and of course oils to set it all up. Then there is testing to make sure the wicks are right, the oils work with the wax I am using (something new on the market with very little knowledge available about that type of wax), and test marketing it too. To mission is to consistently offer the the highest quality handmade botanical home fragrance products, created by myself, from all natural ingredients and oils as well as being known for our personal customer service and competitive prices. In this doing a few smaller local shows I am able to tweak and test market these puppies, which I am sure I am saving big money doing so. I have done big shows - Home and Garden Shows, a couple of indoor expo center type events and art in the parks/wine festivals, but when I have debt I want to pay it down so then I can devote that REAL money towards really good shows. Part of the reason I am reading reviews, asking my own questions and such is for my own research so when most of it is paid off - I can a) show it is possible and it is rewarding to know you don't have any debt b) feel more confident about which shows I apply for - yes, I too allow doubt to creep in and c) the shows I am doing now - the $25 I am getting a constant return on that money and profit (even if it isn't a ton of money) as well as valuable feed back from locals about what I make and sell to then get them talking with their friends and build up my client base too.

    So to recap - when I have more money - and am done paying down debt, you can expect me to be at more shows - and the goal is to do this so I can do some REALLY GOOD shows this Fall/Winter. If I am lucky, I MIGHT try and do one or two in the south this winter, has to be after Christmas during my down time though. I have a few friends and family in Florida now so it is now just traveling expenses, and cutting down overnight expenses. Do know, I am not retired and still need to stick close to home as I do work part time for people I REALLY LOVE working for and provides extra income as they buy my work wholesale and it sells in their store too. My husband works full time at a job he loves and makes good money - this is something I can't rock the boat on too. However we might be able to take 1 week off or so and try a few "southern shows" and see what happens.

    Michelle
    P.S.
  • Michelle,

    We've known each other for a number of years now, and although we have never met in person I know we're friends.

    So as one friend to another, isn't it about time you got off the sidelines and dove into some good shows on a fairly regular basis?

    You certainly know what you're doing, as you have a craft blog and are always there to give good advice. But it seems to me that other than a RenFair, you are hesitant. Why?

    You're doing $25 and $50 shows. I do too, but only on an off weekend and the show is within 25 miles.
    Those are the "Hey, that's $500 more than if I sat home doing nothing" shows.

    Michelle, it's time to take the plunge. There are some excellent promoters within a few hours drive of you. C'mon. Sign up for some good shows and become the true professional we all know is inside you.

    I'll give you one.
    www.chestercraftshow.com
    It's a decent show in a Revolutionary War town in northwest NJ that's been going on since the 70s. I first did it in 1984. It's in a suburban middle class area and the fee is reasonable. Good hotels are about 20 minutes away too. As with every other show, sales aren't what they used to be, but I'll still travel 5 hours to make $3,000. Wouldn't you?

    C'mon. Take the plunge. Meet the gang.
  • Most shows that I did this year seemed to be up a little. My prices and selection is a little different than last year, so I don't have a good comparison. The biggest show I've done is the Portsmouth Gosport Art Show. This was my first year, but my sales were very good. I talked to others who were also have good days. I was not in the Stockley Gardens show, but the crowds seemed to be thick. I stopped by for a couple hours on Sunday and it was packed with people and they seemed to be spending. The artists I talked to were all having good days.

    If I had to make a judgement or guess, I'd say that 2010 is going to be a little better than 2009, and possibly a turnaround year. Smaller priced items are moving better than big tag items, but at least they are moving.
  • Well, the reason people might not be responding, is just that there are too many variables. It’s just not that predictable. I, for one, have heard many people saying, that their more expensive items were selling last year, and so far this year. It was not true for me, so that observation was irrelevant…to me.

    At the last show, where I sat and made notes in my journal way too often (bad sign, right?), the people next to me and 2 booths down were selling their jewelry non-stop all day long. It might have been price (I heard one say, “and you can have the ring, the bracelet, AND the necklace for only $75!!!!). Being by myself, I couldn’t stroll over to look, but price was probably not the only variable. Were they in better shade than me (yes)? New to the show (yes)? Other factors? Undoubtedly, yes.

    That’s not to say you shouldn’t be observant. But one person’s experience does not necessarily extrapolate to yours.
  • People are generally hesitant to discuss financial information. Also, 1 persons great show would make another sad. I know that my perspective on a good vs great show has changed a LOT over the years. I expect a lot more from a show because I have figured out what that I do sells and have a better display and better selling abilities.. yet, I know that many people make more $ than I do at shows. I would be cautious about sharing actual prices with people at shows because people get upset. They may be so happy that they did good, but maybe they only broke even and you made a $1000 extra. They will feel bad and could be resentful and it just is not worth it.


    James Sewell said:
    This is exactly the same question I've tried to ask. Answers are usually very vague. I do my first outdoor festival next fri (june 25-27) and really wanted to walk in with an idea about my quality vs. prices vs. amount of people/area. I would love to set up for 10 shows but investing that kind of money without any expectations would be too risky for me. I'll be sure to let you know what kind of numbers I did with estimated attendance, and then if you want to, you can check out my work and prices, and maybe it could help (not sure what medium your working in).
  • I forgot about this thread... Perhaps I should update a few things...

    I have done two shows this year now, one I have done previously the other was a new show. What is very fresh with me when it comes to comparing shows from at least this past year and this year is last year the weather was really bad - either tornado watches, hot and oppressive, or high winds and other inclement weather. My first show had high winds - the space was $25 and got $65 out of it and had to leave early as my display fell over (no damage to my display or products, but wasn't going to stick around to see if I could). So I walked away with some money - not hundreds or thousands, but again was lucky.

    My last show was a strawberry festival and one I loved doing last year as I did make 10 times my booth fee - easy. And the fee was $35 for 2 10x10 spaces. This year, as it was with last year, was hot hot hot and much of the crowd died when 1:00/1:30 came around. The previous year the crowds died around 2:00/2:30.

    What I have learned - as every show can and most likely will be a learning experience - is that it isn't always about the economy or how a show is promoted. The past two were on the same weekends as in previous years, same booth fee and admission was free... much of everything is the same however the weather was different. And the weather can make or break a show. As always there are die hard buyers that will brave heavy rains or come early if the weather will get hot to buy, but that doesn't cover everyone.

    As I do have another outdoor show in the middle of August - I am really looking forward to those indoor ones!
  • This is exactly the same question I've tried to ask. Answers are usually very vague. I do my first outdoor festival next fri (june 25-27) and really wanted to walk in with an idea about my quality vs. prices vs. amount of people/area. I would love to set up for 10 shows but investing that kind of money without any expectations would be too risky for me. I'll be sure to let you know what kind of numbers I did with estimated attendance, and then if you want to, you can check out my work and prices, and maybe it could help (not sure what medium your working in).
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