I was just thinking...it would be a good idea if Art Fair Insiders had
a tab designated to Art Fairs ratings.
This way everyone could get educated on what fairs are geared towards art
and which ones are simply flee markets.
What do you think? I would like to hear your opinion!
I just had my first one last weekend and I am totally disappointed
and disgusted of what was considered by others an Art Fair.
Yes, there were a few of us artists selling art, but most of the show
was a flee market! I am not joking!
There were people selling old clothes and $2.00 items and kid you not,
pens and sunglasses made in China!!!
Like a novice, I signed up not knowing much about.
I do not feel bad,at least I learned something, but I believe it would be
very helpful to many artists if they could go and check the ratings
before they apply for a fair.
It is up to each of us to apply or not for a show.
Nobody is forcing anyone to get into anything !....
That is clearly not a dispute, you take your chances and are responsible
for your choices.
Artists do not and can not have a say in the quality of a fair...
all because the Art Fairs are the ones with the money.
Well ... arent the fairs getting the money from the artists?
I know we have the Art Show Reviews, but I think that is so much to read
and people do not have the time always to...
I am thinking something really simple that would give the artists
some starting point in making a decision.
I believe that having a rating will force the art fairs to keep
their standards high otherwise will loose the clientele.
In the long run will be a win win situation for everybody.
We will separate the ART from the Flee market.
This way we give people that are looking for quality and uniqueness
what they are looking for!
What do you think fellow artists?
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I guess I should have looked at the date on this before reading through the entire thread... The OP lost my vote with
"I know we have the Art Show Reviews, but I think that is so much to read
and people do not have the time always to...
I am thinking something really simple that would give the artists
some starting point in making a decision."
Personally, I think it would save so much time if people would just make deposits into my bank account while I go have lunch and do a little shopping.
Best reply in a long time.
This will be my introduction to art fair insiders. I have recently joined and am in the process of reading many comments/blogs. Many of them old. The rating idea is of interest to me. Would be nice. I have been producing turned segmented vessels since 84. Sold hundreds over the years but have been away from the art shows since early 90s. My son (Austin) has now joined me in the shop. My desire is to help him establish himself in the field. A much better artist that his father.
I do not want to be next to a B/S vendor any more than the rest of you. I would ask, is the B/S item a commodity. Sunglasses definitely are. Therefore they should not be in an art show. However I do want to visit the comment about Hudson River Inlay. I own a piece. I new exactly what I was buying. First, it takes an artist to create the original. I assume he then has the pieces cut with a vibratory knife on a CNC router/mill. Second a skilled worker has to assemble the parts. How is this different than the painter or photographer selling prints. If I have an original painting and don't use a skilled printer "i get S&*^%". So I use an artist to do the prints. Does this make me a B/S vendor.
Not here to offend anyone just looking for opinions. I would consider HRI art. I feel it is well done.
You couldn't be any further off the mark with your comparisons.
The difference is that the person selling the work created it. I'm a photographer and may use my own printer, the printer at a custom lab or even the printer at Wal-mart. But I took the photograph that I am selling.
As for a painter that has his reproductions done by someone else. The only reason to give the painter grief is that the show doesn't allow reproductions. If the show allows reproductions, it doesn't matter where the reproductions get made and no one is giving the painter grief about selling them.
Yes, it takes an artist to make the original and that artist should have his/her name on the application and be there to sell it to you. Otherwise it's just buy/sell or a rep, which is basically the same thing. And people attend and buy at art shows because they can buy from the person who created the work.
Larry Berman
http://BermanGraphics.com
412-401-8100
Thanks Larry.
If I understand the painter comment. Is it OK with the art vendors to have reproduced paintings if allowed? The buyer would also be aware that they are reproduced/prints. Miss representation is the issue.
With that is it wrong to have HRI at a show. Do you all feel that this is a miss representation. My piece is not signed. When asked he did say they were made in a shop in NY.
I am looking for a consensus from the community. I am not a B/S vendor. All products displayed by us are made 100% in our shop by either myself, Austin or together. Work is signed by either based on who had the idea, did most of the work. Some we both take credit.
I don't understand your post.
You are a wood worker who, I assume, creates the work that you sell. Why are you defending a direct competitor in your medium who sends reps to shows? Do you get your work from them? And why post to a two year old thread instead of starting a new thread?
And do you know that they are listed on a web site of companies that Reverend Moon finances?
Larry Berman
http://BermanGraphics.com
412-401-8100
Not defending. Simply wanted to know what the art community felt about HRI and others like them. I have no association with them and knew nothing about them. I see them in Bemidji yearly, I liked the piece and bought 1. They have been near us the last 2 years at Edina. Maybe I will see them again this year.
As for them being a competitor , I consider all vendors at a show as my competitor. Say there is $100 not $101 up for grabs at a show. We are all competing for a share of that $100 dollars. If you sell a $50 item the rest of the vendors split the remaining $50. I know this is a simplistic view but I feel funds at a show are limited. I still love visiting with other artist, even wood turners.
As for an earlier statement, photographers have to use prints to show their work. I was referring to multiple prints of 1 photo. When I turn a vase I may make a Walnut , Maple, Cherry all from the same cut list. They are still turned by hand. Would that be considered a reproduction and taboo or a limited edition.
Do you feel this is something worth a new thread or am I the only one asking the question.
Depends on the nuances of your medium. Photography is not a medium of reproductions, it's multiple originals because nothing exists until it's printed.
When I meant competition, I meant to get into the show, not once you're in and selling. Competition for space.
Larry Berman
I agree nothing exist until you print the photo. Printing a photo in itself is not reproduction. With that said how is "multiple originals" not reproduction when you do more than 1 print of the same photo. 2 or more identical copies exist.
1. You design a scene take a photo.
I design a vase build a cut list.
2. You have it printed.
I glue it up and turn it.
Same thing. we've both created a work of art.
3. You go the the printer and say print 5 images of the negative.
I glue up 5 sets of vases from the original cut list and turn them.
Would you and other artist consider my 5 vases I build from an original cut list a reproduction or "multiple originals". I am not saying 1 is wrong and the other is right. I say they are the same. If you say reproduction, start a new thread and let the whole community convince me there is a difference. I am a lot more involved in my additional 4 vases than you are in the additional 4 prints.
Art--Let's leave photography and prints by 2d artists out of the equation for a second.
The person assembling the HRI work is not the one who thought up the design or cut the pieces. The assembler is basically using a kit. Most art festivals specifically prohibit the use of kits.
Another example is beads in the jewelry category. Some art festivals will not allow stringers (those who buy pre-made beads and assemble them into necklaces, bracelets etc) They only allow those artists that actually make their own beads and then use them to make necklaces etc.
HRI falls into the kit category at the very least. If the person at the art festival that is selling them buys them already assembled, then he is b/s.
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